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if a dweeb burps in the forest, and no one's there to hear it...

Posted on Jun 2nd, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto

email to Frank Visser:


A comment on:  Winning the Integral Game?, by Scott Parker


Hi Frank, I'd like to comment on Winning the Integral Game?, by Scott Parker.

 
 
as a "fan" of Ken Wilber and his work, and a subscriber to the IW newsletter, i continue to be confounded by what often purports to be "criticism" of Wilber/the man, his voluminous contribution to "science and letters," and the "cult" of Wilber.  and this bewilderment prevails in reading Scott Parker's recent "Winning the Integral Game?"
 
let me say i am not a "thinker" or "essayist" of the caliber of the authors who are published at IW.  i don't have the "chops."  i am just a dweeb at the back of the lecture hall, here daring to stand up and make a couple of points.
 
let me say, also, there have been only two essays published at IW that i have read and considered in recent months -- this latest by Mr. Parker, and Jeff Meyerhoff's "Chapter 10."
 
in reading both, i could not escape the sense that each of these authors were, themselves, confronting little more than the limits of their own psyches, and the limits of their own personal "process" -- far, far from actually engaging in some dialectic about Wilber's AQAL/Integral model.  seriously, both essays, in turn, might simply have been titled, "this is how I feel about Ken Wilber and his work."  and the reader can't escape the sense of "serious" personal dissapointment, somehow in relation to Wilber, dragged along by both authors; foisted in Wilber's lap; and on an order like, "Ken declined to be the clown at my son's birthday party, and i can never forgive him."  that's about the sum of what i "feel" left with, after reading these august "critiques."
 
what about THE TOOL -- the AQAL/Integral model -- that Wilber has put into our hands?  you boys got some tweak, some improvement to suggest about that -- beyond all your mushy, personal confusion about whether you "like" Ken, along with the "sycophants" around him, or not?
 
Prometheus had some peccadillos, but gave us fire.  Galileo made a pact with his "critics" to avoid getting burnt at the stake, but gave us the telescope.  the Heavens have let fall into our midst but another [you pick the superlative], light-bearing, vision-focusing tool -- Wilber's "spectrum"/AQAL model.  amen!
 
putting this tool-talk aside (something lacking in the "critiques" mentioned); recalling, too, that "the map is not the territory;" and if i dare further: what is the true Object of all this inquiring, this observing, this comparing of notes?  is it not Reality Itself?  and (here's the "money shot") what finer glimpse of Reality does the reader gain from wading through Parker's or Meyhoff's piece?  little?  none?  hello! 

Wilber's stuff focuses the senses, to say the least.  Ken delivers.
 
Annie Lennox gave us more than Parker or Meyerhoff -- so much more -- and was simply more honest about purveying what she was purveying, crooning in "Why,"
 
"these are the contents of my head . . . and this is how i feel."
 
i do not get where Scott or Jeff have substantially added to our collective capacity (and longing) to See and to Know directly What Is.

Ken points straight at It.

rant ends.


thank you, Frank!



Annie Lennox - Why


[go annie!]




Frank and Scott reply:


Hi robert,

 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and feelings about IW and some of its authors. I can understand where you come from, but as I wrote recently:

 

Some have commented that criticizing Wilber for all those years is somehow a personal thing. Why can't I shut up, leave Wilber alone, and develop my own model? That, I think, misses the point of criticism in science and philosophy.

 

And Scott adds:

 

Most of the essays on IntegralWorld attempt to engage Wilber on a serious level. It is only by critiquing, clarifying, and offering alternatives that we can pursue the truth, which at the end of the day, is what we're after.

 

So, if you are “into” Wilber, and you are clearly, since he gives you “glimpses of the Real”, you will find all these critiques annoying. If you are into truth finding, whatever that may be, you will long for them.

 

Essays on IW have suggested more then tweaks when it comes to AQAL (read Smith, Edwards and others). These are not just “feelings” vented by disappointed fans (though that may always be a component, except for Meyerhoff). Strangely, all these suggestions have been perceived by Wilber as attacks on his integral fortress.

 

Therefore, I also regularly publish essays that comment on the culture that has grown around Wilber. Again, if you belong to that culture your will not appreciate these; if you no longer belong to that, you will recognize their points immediately.

 

I hold Wilber responsible for polarizing these two worlds, by giving a blanket dismissal of all IW essays (back in 2004) and his hysterical rants of 2006. I also will keep reminding him that, as Andy Smith once said, for serious academic discourse it just will not do to say to your critics: “You just don’t get it”.

 

I hope this makes any sense to you,

 

frank





and then i said:


how about if i were to say, fuck ken wilber and his model -- he is not the point: Reality is the Object of our concern, our investigations, our attention.  we want Reality to drop her veils, hike up her skirt, and give us an eye-full, a mind-full, a heart-full of the Truth about Who we are/Where we are.  maybe that is better summary of the point i was attempting to make in my previous note.
 
there are states and stages and stations of consciousness within which the Truth about Who we are is, i'll say, much more Obvious.  and there are states and stages and stations of consciousness within which that Truth is hidden, unknown and unknowable.  sadly, it is these latter states within which most of us abide, and toil, and persevere -- absence a clearer vision and understanding of the Truth.  my own view is that the Truth misses us as much as we miss It -- like a wallflower at a school dance, waiting to get tapped on the shoulder.  "yoohoo! over here!"  like Muktananda said, "god forgets god so that god might seek god.," God [for want of a better term] Abides nonetheless; split off from [His] better half -- us -- infinitely patience, Gracious, ready to boogie!  if we'd but notice!
 
Ken Wilber's work stradles the entire known "spectrum of consciousness."  i have no doubt that he has, himself, ventured into those states of consciousness within which the Truth about Who we are is more readily observable.  but, like i said, screw Ken -- he is not the point.
 
so much of living humanity, and so terribly much of humanity dead and gone, has toiled and cogitated and procreated as if asleep -- un-Awakened to the Truth about Who we are.  but the odd individual, here, there, and there, has broken through -- "i have been to the mountaintop, and i have seen the other side!"  it is my view, perhaps consonant with the "hundreth monkey theory," that these breakthroughs are increasingly less rare.  (nod to all the stout and numinous souls, saints, sages, and mystics who have paved the way.)  Ken Wilber's work is, among other things, a "herald" of this phenomenon. 
 
whatever "truths" we come to absent "seeing the other side" are but partial truths. 
 
if there was a question, between the lines, in what i wrote to you yesterday, it might have been: is your view informed by having "been to the mountaintop?"  in Wilber-speak, have you tasted One Taste?  per the Tibetans, have you apprehended "the Innate Great Perfection?"  is sharing that view, reminding us, drawing us into and revealing that perspective, the aim of your "criticisms?"  i'd say, that is really what my reading of your "critiques" left me wondering, and what this and yesterday's ramblings are about.
 
i have no doubt that is but a part of what Ken Wilber and his work is all about.  
 
about "fortress integral:" enter any human community surrounding any extraordinary individual (or group of individuals) -- let's say a corporate board, a college faculty, an ashram -- and tell me you won't find similar intrigues and excesses of human nature there.  to me, that's a sort of "losing sight of forest for the trees" kind of take on the boulder scene (which, i must say, i've never entered into to. would that i could!)
 
frank, scott, honestly, it wouldn't be hard for me to lob some gob of merely personal goo back in your direction -- let the volley begin!  my take on your take on what he said . . . 
 
i will conclude by saying, far from finding Mr. Wilber's "wyatt earpie" stuff "hyterical," i found it brilliant -- more good dope from the smartest man on the planet.
 
again, thanks!


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o superman!

Posted on Jun 2nd, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto

dug up some classic annie in my previous post . . . still had youtube open . . . no rhyme or reason . . . just following my nose


Laurie Anderson - O Superman



thank you, laurie!

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frank and scott talk back

Posted on Jun 3rd, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto

some added back and forth on my "dweeb" post, below . . .
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sunday political reads

Posted on Jun 3rd, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto


Defense Officials Tried to Reverse China Policy, Says Powell Aide

By Jeff Stein, CQ National Security Editor

"The same top Bush administration neoconservatives who leap-frogged Washington’s foreign policy establishment to topple Saddam Hussein nearly pulled off a similar coup in U.S.-China relations—creating the potential of a nuclear war over Taiwan, a top aide to former Secretary of State Colin Powell says."


Giuliani: Worse Than Bush


By Matt Taibbi

"Rudy Giuliani is a true American hero, and we know this because he does all the things we expect of heroes these days -- like make $16 million a year, and lobby for Hugo Chávez and Rupert Murdoch, and promote wars without ever having served in the military, and hire a lawyer to call his second wife a 'stuck pig,' and organize absurd, grandstanding pogroms against minor foreign artists, and generally drift through life being a shameless opportunist with an outsize ego who doesn't even bother to conceal the fact that he's had a hard-on for the presidency since he was in diapers. In the media age, we can't have a hero humble enough to actually be one; what is needed is a tireless scoundrel, a cad willing to pose all day long for photos, who'll accept $100,000 to talk about heroism for an hour, who has the balls to take a $2.7 million advance to write a book about himself called Leadership. That's Rudy Giuliani. Our hero. And a perfect choice to uphold the legacy of George W. Bush."


Frank Rich on Nixon, Bush, and 'failed presidents'

 "Unlike Nixon, President Bush is less an overreaching Machiavelli than an epic blunderer surrounded by Machiavellis," writes Rich. "He lacks the crucial element of acute self-awareness that gave Nixon his tragic depth."

here, more here, and, for NYT "select" subscribers, here.


Repudiation, Not Impeachment


By Scott Ritter

"Today one need only observe the corruption of our rulers and the carelessness of our people to understand the significance of the Constitution when it comes to preserving these United States of America.  The nefarious nature of the Bush cancer is that, in its infection of the American system, it seeks to draw legitimacy for its tyrannical actions by citing the very same Constitution it seeks to destroy.  The promoters of this point of view cite the academic term “Unitary Executive Theory” when defining their philosophy.  To me, it is nothing less than treason.  The Founding Fathers, in discussing the concept of a “unitary executive,” made use of the term in a manner reflective of their desire to restrain executive power, versus the extreme interpretation embraced by counsels to President Bush and Vice President Cheney, who seek to expand executive power and authority to near dictatorial levels, especially during a time of war."
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kdubya on the yabyum

Posted on Jun 3rd, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto






a fellow zaadzster send a note with comment about my "avatar" -- the yabyum.  was sure i had a favorite link to share (who needs a brain anymore now that we have the internet), but couldn't find it -- a description of the meaning, significance, and symbolism of the yabyum.

found a pretty good alternative: kdubya on same.  and with his preceding description of  "find[ing] your formless identity as Buddha-mind . . ."  well, not to imply something as crass as this may sound: reading descriptions of this sort just gets me wet.

btw: i gather that where these images remain sacred (esp. Tibet, Nepal), they are not displayed publically, but are reserved for viewing by "initiates" who have been instructed in their true or esoteric meaning.  absent the Heart-Transmission that might accompany such an initiation, ken's description provides a pretty good orientation.



Ken Wilber on One Taste


Once you find your formless identity as Buddha-mind, as Atman, as pure Spirit or Godhead, you will take that constant, non-dual, ever present consciousness and re-enter the lesser states, subtle mind and gross body, and re-animate them with radiance. You will not remain merely Formless and Empty. You will empty yourself of Emptiness: you will pour yourself out into the mind and world, and create them in the process, and enter them all equally, but especially and particularly that specific mind and body that is called you (that is called, in my case, Ken Wilber): this lesser self will become the vehicle of the Spirit that you are.


And then all things, including your own little mind and body and feelings and thoughts, will arise in the vast Emptiness that you are, and they will self-liberate into their own true nature just as they arise, precisely because you no longer identify with any of them, but rather let them play, let them all arise, in the Emptiness and Openness that you now are. You then will awaken as radical Freedom, and sing those songs of radiant release, beam an infinity too obvious to see, and drink an ocean of delight. You will look at the moon as part of your body and bow to the sun as part of your heart, and all of it is just so. For eternally and always, eternally and always, there is only this.

 

*

 

In Dzogchen Buddhism, the same idea is expressed in the thangka of the Adi-Buddha Samantabhadra (the very highest Buddha) and his consort, Samantabhadri. Samantabhadra is depicted as a deep blue/black figure, naked, seated in the lotus posture. On his lap, facing him in sexual congress, is Samantabhadri, also naked, but a luminous bright white. Samantabhadra represents the dharmakaya or radical Emptiness, which is completely formless and therefore "black" (as in deep dreamless sleep). Samantabhadri represents the rupakaya, the entire world of Form, which is a brilliant white luminous display. Emptiness and form, consciousness and matter, spirit and the world. But the point is, they are making love; they are one in the ecstatic embrace of each other; they are united through all eternity by the unbreakable bond of a Love that is invincible. They are, to each other, One Taste.

This depiction of Samantabhadra and Samantabhadri (Purusha and Prakriti, Shiva and Shakti, emptiness and form, wisdom and compassion, Eros and Agape, ascending and descending) is not merely a symbol. It is a depiction of a direct realization. When you settle back as I-I, and rest as the formless Witness, you literally are Samantabhadra; you are the great Unborn, the radically unqualifiable Godhead. You are a great black Emptiness of infinite release. And yet, in the space of that Emptiness that you are, the entire universe is arising moment to moment: the clouds are floating through your awareness, those trees are arising in your awareness, those singing birds are one with you.

You, as formless Witness (Samantabhadra), are one with the entire World of Form (Samantabhadri), and it is forever an erotic union. You are literally making love to the entire world as it arises. The brutal, torturous gap between subject and object has collapsed, and you and the world have entered an intimate, sexual, ecstatic union, edged with bliss, radiant in release, the thunder and lightning of only One Taste.

It has always been so.


this except from Ken Wilber's journal, One Taste, found here.  accompanyinig link to yabyum gallery, here.


yum, yum!



p.s. i'd read somewhere (probably something from that infernal Ken Wilber guy) that men, typically but not always, describe their ventures into Non-Dual/One-Taste states of consciousness as emptiness; and woman, typically but not always, as fullness.  in what i surmise to have been my own One Taste episode, the encounter was decidedly lady-like -- emphasis on the fullness!   limitless fullness, poured out, poured in, poured on -- everywhere, everywhen -- now, now, and now -- always-already!  (pst! if we'd but notice!)  like the man said, "You then will awaken as radical Freedom . . . and drink an ocean of delight."



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libby gets 30 months -- for now?

Posted on Jun 5th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto

just a good start, i'd figure.  news link.
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bee news

Posted on Jun 17th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto

Bees dying of mysterious infection
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a little sumpin sumpin

Posted on Jun 19th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto
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wanted to blog about the Innate Great Perfection -- how Near, how True,  how Incredibly-Frickin-Amazing-while-really-No-Big-Deal . . . yet how elusive -- how we intrude upon it by adding our "stuff" -- "straying into samsara."  radical freedom, unfathomable mercy and forgiveness, love overflowing -- plenty to go around and then some!  (even more than that!)

was getting too clever by half about it.  and many others are so much more adept at "pointing out" the Obvious.


here's a good link:

Ground, Path, and Fruition, by Surya Das and Nyoshul Khenpo


grudgingly, i throttle myself about having "been there and done that," rather than being there and doing that.  how have i managed this?  the mystery, the Grace of being there (Right Here, actually) and doing that (This!) is closer than our breath, yet we run so far from Home.

"It is neither improved by remaining in nirvana nor degenerated by straying into samsara."

whew!  thank goodness!


gotta run!  see you There!

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only Ken can set me free!

Posted on Jun 21st, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto

nod to all who don't "get" ken wilber . . .

Living Colour-Cult Of Personality



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super duper!

Posted on Jun 24th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto
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caught John Perkins on Cspan's BookTV, talking about his new book, The Secret History of the American Empire.

spot on!  excellent in laying bare the ills of the true political rulers of US empire, transnational corporations bent solely on short-term profit taking; and all the more laudable for its heartening, very optimistic prescription for the proven means of change.

see too:

Amy Goodman's interview with John.

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bits of Patrul Rinpoche's Self-Liberated Mind

Posted on Jun 24th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto
Gankyil




"All you practitioners, male and female, who wish to realize
the faultless and correct point of view, should let your mind
rest fully awake in a state of unfabricated emptiness. When
your mind is quiet,, then rest in that quietness without trying
to fabricate anything. When it doesn't think, then rest in
that non-thinking. In short, no matter what takes place, let
your mind rest without fabricating anything. 

Don't try to correct, suppress or cultivate anything. 

Don't try to place your mind inwardly. Don't search for an
object to meditate upon outwardly. Rest in the meditator, mind
itself, without fabricating anything. 

One doesn't find one's mind by searching for it. The mind
itself is empty from the beginning. You don't need to search
for it. It is the searcher himself. Rest undistractedly in the
searcher himself. 

'Have I now grasped that which should be observed? ' ' is
this the right way or not? Is this it or not?' No matter what
takes place rest in the thinker himself without fabricating
anything. 

No matter what kind of thoughts occur, excellent or
terrible, good or bad, joyful or sorrowful, don't accept or
reject, but rest in the thinker himself without fabricating
anything." 


found here


"At times it happens that some meditators say that it is difficult to recognize the nature of the mind (note: in Dzogchen, 'the nature of the mind' means the ultimate reality of pure Emptiness or primordial Spirit). Some practitioners believe it to be impossible to recognize Spirit. They become depressed with tears streaming down their cheeks. There is no reason at all to become sad. It is not at all impossible to recognize. Rest directly in that which thinks that it is impossible to recognize Spirit , and that is exactly it ."


and here
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on the advisability of preparation and practice

Posted on Jun 24th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto
Sprout

my life is an excellent example of the "good seed" falling on ill-prepared soil. 

found myself trolling some of the latest from Adi Da, including some commentary on advice given by Adi Shankara and Swami Vivekananda:


Shankara

One of the Sages represented in this book is Shankara (ca. 800 CE), who systematized the teachings of the Upanishads into what became the Advaitic, or "non dual", tradition of Vedanta.

Shankara is highly praised by Adi Da Samraj as the individual in the Great Tradition who most fully acknowledged and insisted upon the entire range of preliminary practices for anyone who aspires to the non dual Truth:

Shankara's teachings embrace the totality of the tradition of Hinduism, which was the tradition within which he was active.

He covers modes of discipline and approach that correspond to what I call the stages of life. He accounts for devotional practice (Bhakti Yoga), Karma Yoga, Raja Yoga, Kundalini Yoga and so on, as well as Jnana Yoga as the ultimate mode of practice.

He also accounts for sannyas as being the mode of life discipline associated with Ultimate Realization. He was not teaching in any mode that was dissociated from the Yogic traditions (such as the Kundalini tradition). He simply understood those traditions as preliminary to the ultimate process.

So do I. I have My own language relative to all that. The particularities and details of My own Teaching are unique. But nevertheless, they coincide with Shankara's tradition of understanding.

— April 21, 2005

However, both historically and in the present day, there are those who claim that such preparation is not necessary, and that all one needs to do to become a Jnani (a "knower" of Truth) is to enquire into the root of "I", or ponder the great non dual statements of the Upanishads, or engage some such philosophical or contemplative practice.

But, as Adi Da Samraj repeatedly emphasizes in Is — in unison with the genuine tradition of the Sages — such efforts are fruitless and deluded:

There are modes or schools or tendencies in the Indian tradition which attribute a kind of exclusiveness to Jnana — seeming to indicate that nothing but Jnana is the Truth, or acceptable, and (thus) discounting the necessity for preliminary sadhana. But that is a misplaced doctrine. And such a statement is not there in Shankara's writings.

— October 22, 2005

A relatively recent expression of the traditional wisdom that preliminary practice is necessary is found in an exchange between Swami Vivekananda and a householder devotee, Haripada Mitra:

"Swamiji, will you kindly chalk out the path that I should follow?"

Swamiji replied, "First, try to bring the mind under control, no matter what the process is. Everything else will follow as a matter of course. And knowledge — the non dualistic realization — is very hard to attain.

Know that to be the highest human goal. But before one reaches there, one has to make a long preparation and a prolonged effort.

The company of holy men and dispassion are the means to it. There is no other way."

(Translated from Swamijir Katha in Bengali,
included in Reminiscences of Swami Vivekananda
[Almora, India: Advaita Ashrama, 1961], 51)




jnana introduced me to the Beloved.  Grace performed the wedding.  but all my poor white trash habituations doomed the marriage.

take me back, Dear Heart!  take me back!


eat your wheaties!
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more God-talk!

Posted on Jun 26th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto

buonarroti





"may i have some more, please."


comment to the editors of kdubya's blog:



i deeply appreciate ken's remarks in the intro to V7 of his collected works:

"The health of the entire spiral is the prime directive, not preferential treatment for any one level.

. . .[T]he major problem remains: not, how can we get everybody to the integral wave or higher, but how can we arrange the health of the overall spiral , as billions of humans continue to pass through it, from one end to the other, year in and year out?

      In other words, most of the work that needs to done is work to make the lower (and foundational) waves more healthy in their own terms. The major reforms do not involve how to get a handful of boomers into second-tier, but how to feed the starving millions at the most basic waves; how to house the homeless millions at the simplest of levels; how to bring healthcare to the millions who do not possess it. An integral vision is one of the least pressing issues on the face of the planet.

 . . .Thus, as I suggested, an integral vision is one of the least pressing issues on the face of the planet. The health of the entire spiral, and particularly its earlier waves, screams out to us as the major ethical demand.

     Nonetheless, the advantage of second-tier vision-logic awareness is that it more creatively helps with the solutions to those pressing problems. In grasping big pictures, it can help suggest more cogent solutions."


earlier, as well, he does note the critical importance of "an integral vision:"

"And yet without second-tier thinking, as Graves, Beck, and Cowan point out, humanity is destined to remain victims of a global "auto-immune disease," where various memes turn on each other in an attempt to establish supremacy."


so, yes: "health of the entire spiral  . . . make the lower (and foundationalal) waves more healthy in their own terms . . . yet without second-tier thinking . . .," etc.

again: "[T]he major reforms do not involve how to get a handful of boomers into second-tier," and, "[It's] not, how can we get everybody to the integral level or higher. . ." 

BUT, still, what about the "higher," beyond second-tier?  as in his essay, Always Already: The Brilliant Clarity of Ever-Present Awareness, ken's "pointing out instructions" are among the most contemporary and clearest available!

how about some more "pointing out instructions" here on the blog -- if not from ken, then from other teachers of Dzogchen or Advaita?

in my own case, i'm addressing "reform" of my own and my community's "lower (and foundational) waves," not as indispensible to Realization of Ever-Present Awareness -- like the Eastern "Alpha" strategy of "in and up" -- you can get There without a pure body; without a job; without good health care; without a psychotherapist, etc.  but "stable" and truly clear Realization -- and beyong that: "returning to the City with Bliss-Bestowing hands" . . . again, in my own case, i've got some patch work, and repair, and progress to make foundationally -- like preparing the soil for the "good seed" (which, by Grace, once fell into my life, sprouted and bloomed for a time, but choked and faded as a consequence of my "poor" habituation).  [btw: more wilber/II brilliance -- the ILP Kit! super duper! (free ILP intro from Zaadz/II, here!)]

nonetheless, i enjoy me some good God-talk all the while!  and i'd appreciate seeing more of it, beyond the reiterations of "integral" theory, here on ken's blog.

thank you, thank you!

manonfyre
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someone else entreating us, and God

Posted on Jun 26th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto

For God's Sake, Tell Me Where To Begin?

By Layla Anwar

06/26/07 "
ICH
" -- -- -I was set out to write about Father's day and the thousands of fatherless Iraqi children.The thousands of killed fathers, the thousands of fathers trying desperately hard to feed their families, daily putting their lives at great risk, in a country gripped by demonic violence. The exiled fathers, selling scraps in Amman and Damascus, bearing the brunt of daily insults. Or the unemployed fathers, feeling torn inside watching their kids go hungry. Or maybe the head bent down father, slouched posture, hiding scars beneath a worn out shirt. The father that has been imprisoned, humiliated, tortured and sodomized, unable to look his children in the eyes...

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interview with paul hawken

Posted on Jun 26th, 2007 by rhobherto : karmic furnace rhobherto
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Paul Hawken: How to Stop Our Political and Economic Systems From Stealing Our Future


By Terrence McNally, AlterNet. Posted June 26, 2007.

Paul Hawken, author of Blessed Unrest, discusses what he sees as the largest social movement in human history, and why that movement is so invisible to the media -- and itself.

"It will be the stroke of midnight for the rest of our lives. It is too late for heroes. We need an accelerated intertwining of the over 1 million nonprofits and 100 million people who daily work for the preservation and restoration of life on earth. ...The language of sustainability is about ideas that never end: growth without inequality, wealth without plunder, work without exploitation, a future without fear. A green movement fails unless there's a black-, brown-, and copper-colored movement, and that can only exist if the movement to change the world touches the needs and suffering of every single person on earth." --Worldchanging.org 12/26/06


Paul Hawken has spent over a decade researching organizations dedicated to restoring the environment and fostering social justice. From multimillion-dollar nonprofits to single-person dot.causes, these groups collectively comprise a movement that has no name, no leader, no location, and that has gone largely ignored by politicians and the media. Like nature itself, it is organizing from the bottom up. Hawken's new book, Blessed Unrest: How the Largest Movement in the World Came into Being and Why No One Saw It Coming, explores the diversity of the movement, its ideas, strategies and hidden history.



the interview
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